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iRuleThisForum Joined: 23 Jul 2004 Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 5:50 am	Post subject: More and more stomach altering surgeries are performed Did we lose control of our body? More and more stomach altering surgeries are performed every year. Norton Hospital in Kentucky has a waiting list of 2,500 candidates for stomach-altering surgeries. I was watching some clip from MSNBC the other day, and apparently, in many cases, you need to take out your loosened skin after you lose weight. As you gain weight, your skin gets stretched out and they basically hang there even if you are not carrying a lot of weight. Take out a good part of your body, and then take out even a good part of your skin. This is a common medical procedure now. Am I the only one who feels that something in our society is going totally out of control?


Thais Joined: 07 Aug 2004 Location: UK Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 7:48 am	Post subject: " Am I the only one who feels that something in our society is going totally out of control?" No! Coincidentally, I watched part of a TV prog last night about this, where they showed you a skin-removing operation in all its gory details.... They removed huge wads of skin+fat from a women's abdomen that weighed more than 3 kilos, then sewed her all back up again after fishing out the navel bit & sticking it in the right place!!

cloningOk Joined: 25 Jul 2004 Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 7:49 am	Post subject: Many Americans' having weight problem is a well known fact, but when did it start? Did it start 10 years ago, 20 years ago, 50, 100, 200?

iRuleThisForum Joined: 23 Jul 2004 Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 9:10 am	Post subject: Thais wrote: Coincidentally, I watched part of a TV prog last night about this, where they showed you a skin-removing operation in all its gory details.... They removed huge wads of skin+fat from a women's abdomen that weighed more than 3 kilos, then sewed her all back up again after fishing out the navel bit & sticking it in the right place!! Sounds quite lovely, doesn't it? cloningOk wrote: Many Americans' having weight problem is a well known fact, but when did it start? Did it start 10 years ago, 20 years ago, 50, 100, 200? Here's some history: While it is often quite obvious why a certain individual gets fat, it is far more difficult to understand why the average weight of certain societies have recently been growing. While genetic causes are central to who is obese, they cannot explain why one culture grows fatter than another. This is most notable in the United States. In the years from just after the Second World War until 1960 the average person's weight increased, but few were obese. In 1960 almost the entire population was well fed, but not overweight. In the two and a half decades since 1980 the growth in the rate of obesity has accelerated markedly and is increasingly becoming a public health concern. Canada and Europe are somewhat behind the United States, with the rest of the world mixed. Some nations like Egypt and Mexico have also suffered from greatly increasing rates of obesity. There are a number of theories as to the cause of this change since 1980. Most believe it is a combination of various factors. One of the most important is the much lower relative cost of foodstuffs, massive agricultural subsidies in the United States and Europe have lead to food prices for consumers being lower than at any point in history. Sugar and corn syrup, two huge sources of calories are some of the most subsidized products by the United States government. Increased marketing has also played a role. In the early 1980s the Reagan administration lifted most regulations pertaining to advertising to children. As a result the number commercials seen by the average child increased greatly, and a large proportion of these were for fast food and candy. Changes in the price of mineral oil and petrol are also believed to have had an effect, as unlike during the 1970s it is now affordable in the United States to drive everywhere - at a time when public transit goes underused. At the same time more areas have been built without sidewalks and parks. The changing workforce as each year a greater percent of the population spends their entire workday behind a desk or computer, seeing virtually no exercise. In the kitchen the microwave has seen sales of generally unhealthy frozen meals skyrocket and has encourage more elaborate snacking. A social cause that is believed by many to play a role is the increasing number of two income households where one parent no longer remains home to look after the house. This increases the number of restaurant and take-out meals. Since 1980 both sit-in and fast food restaurants have seen dramatic growth in terms of the number of outlets and customers served. Low food costs have lead to much large portions for the same price. Interestingly the vast increase in the number of Americans who exercise and diet occurred before the increase in obesity, and some scholars have even argued that these trends actually encouraged obesity. Most diets fail, ending in binge eating and an overall increase in weight. Similarly those who workout but then stop can end up being fatter than those who never exercised. The document was originally published at Wikipedia and the document is licensed under GNU Free Document License. If you'd like to find out more about obesity, you might be interested in visiting this page in Wikipedia.

altyfc Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Location: Aardvarkland Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 11:08 am	Post subject: I wonder if all this relates to the increasing trend of obesity. People see nowadays that they can have their stomach stapled or fat removed or whatever, and do they perhaps think "I don't need to diet, I can just go and have some work done..."...? Aaron

iRuleThisForum Joined: 23 Jul 2004 Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 11:29 am	Post subject: altyfc wrote: I wonder if all this relates to the increasing trend of obesity. People see nowadays that they can have their stomach stapled or fat removed or whatever, and do they perhaps think "I don't need to diet, I can just go and have some work done..."...? Aaron It's very possible. We are already seeing this type of thinking in some other areas. For example, skincare; drinking, smoking, unhealthy diet, etc. will affect your skin later on your life, ... but who cares? You can take care of wrinkles with some injection. Obesity can be deadly if it is not taken care of properly, but procedures described here are last resort, they are not there so that you can eat as much as you feel like and add 200 lb. It seems like there is some misconception here.

altyfc Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Location: Aardvarkland Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 12:14 pm	Post subject: I agree that they should only be used as a last resort. In an ideal world, things should never get to those kinds of extremes in the first place, of course. Aaron

iRuleThisForum Joined: 23 Jul 2004 Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 12:30 pm	Post subject: Some people disagree, but one of big changed made looking back the last 20 - 30 years is that the food industry has gained more flexibility in terms of marketing, promotion, production, and all aspects of business; I can't help thinking that this is not coincidental, i.e, the food industry is partially responsible for this.

cloningOk Joined: 25 Jul 2004 Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 2:33 am	Post subject: A consequent of Reaganomics?

iRuleThisForum Joined: 23 Jul 2004 Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 8:03 am	Post subject: cloningOk wrote: A consequent of Reaganomics? While I am not a big fan of Reaganomics, it is probably not fair to blame Reaganomics alone, though Reaganomics can be interpreted as a turning point. The influence of corporations is getting stronger and stronger in US, and it is rather concerning. Not all corporations are harming consumers, but as far as the food industry is concerned, I have to wonder if it's really doing any good to US consumers.

cloningOk Joined: 25 Jul 2004 Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 10:11 am	Post subject: Wikipedia wrote: Changes in the price of mineral oil and petrol are also believed to have had an effect, as unlike during the 1970s it is now affordable in the United States to drive everywhere - at a time when public transit goes underused. At the same time more areas have been built without sidewalks and parks. The price of petrol is currently rising, so maybe it will have positive impact on people's life style, i.e., they rely on public transit a little more, thus, start walking more?

iRuleThisForum Joined: 23 Jul 2004 Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 11:27 pm	Post subject: Quote: The price of petrol is currently rising, so maybe it will have positive impact on people's life style, i.e., they rely on public transit a little more, thus, start walking more? Probably not. People drive everywhere and that is an established habit and life style.

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iRuleThisForum

Joined: 23 Jul 2004

Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 5:50 am

Post subject: More and more stomach altering surgeries are performed

Did we lose control of our body? More and more stomach altering surgeries are performed every year. Norton Hospital in Kentucky has a waiting list of 2,500 candidates for stomach-altering surgeries. I was watching some clip from MSNBC the other day, and apparently, in many cases, you need to take out your loosened skin after you lose weight. As you gain weight, your skin gets stretched out and they basically hang there even if you are not carrying a lot of weight. Take out a good part of your body, and then take out even a good part of your skin. This is a common medical procedure now. Am I the only one who feels that something in our society is going totally out of control?

Thais

Joined: 07 Aug 2004

Location: UK

Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 7:48 am

Post subject:

" Am I the only one who feels that something in our society is going totally out of control?"

No!

Coincidentally, I watched part of a TV prog last night about this, where they showed you a skin-removing operation in all its gory details.... They removed huge wads of skin+fat from a women's abdomen Shocked that weighed more than 3 kilos, then sewed her all back up again after fishing out the navel bit & sticking it in the right place!!

Neutral

cloningOk

Joined: 25 Jul 2004

Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 7:49 am

Post subject:

Many Americans' having weight problem is a well known fact, but when did it start? Did it start 10 years ago, 20 years ago, 50, 100, 200?

iRuleThisForum

Joined: 23 Jul 2004

Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 9:10 am

Post subject:

Thais wrote:

Coincidentally, I watched part of a TV prog last night about this, where they showed you a skin-removing operation in all its gory details.... They removed huge wads of skin+fat from a women's abdomen that weighed more than 3 kilos, then sewed her all back up again after fishing out the navel bit & sticking it in the right place!!

Sounds quite lovely, doesn't it?

cloningOk wrote:

Many Americans' having weight problem is a well known fact, but when did it start? Did it start 10 years ago, 20 years ago, 50, 100, 200?

Here's some history:

While it is often quite obvious why a certain individual gets fat, it is far more difficult to understand why the average weight of certain societies have recently been growing. While genetic causes are central to who is obese, they cannot explain why one culture grows fatter than another.

This is most notable in the United States. In the years from just after the Second World War until 1960 the average person's weight increased, but few were obese. In 1960 almost the entire population was well fed, but not overweight. In the two and a half decades since 1980 the growth in the rate of obesity has accelerated markedly and is increasingly becoming a public health concern. Canada and Europe are somewhat behind the United States, with the rest of the world mixed. Some nations like Egypt and Mexico have also suffered from greatly increasing rates of obesity.

There are a number of theories as to the cause of this change since 1980. Most believe it is a combination of various factors.

One of the most important is the much lower relative cost of foodstuffs, massive agricultural subsidies in the United States and Europe have lead to food prices for consumers being lower than at any point in history. Sugar and corn syrup, two huge sources of calories are some of the most subsidized products by the United States government.

Increased marketing has also played a role. In the early 1980s the Reagan administration lifted most regulations pertaining to advertising to children. As a result the number commercials seen by the average child increased greatly, and a large proportion of these were for fast food and candy.

Changes in the price of mineral oil and petrol are also believed to have had an effect, as unlike during the 1970s it is now affordable in the United States to drive everywhere - at a time when public transit goes underused. At the same time more areas have been built without sidewalks and parks.

The changing workforce as each year a greater percent of the population spends their entire workday behind a desk or computer, seeing virtually no exercise. In the kitchen the microwave has seen sales of generally unhealthy frozen meals skyrocket and has encourage more elaborate snacking.

A social cause that is believed by many to play a role is the increasing number of two income households where one parent no longer remains home to look after the house. This increases the number of restaurant and take-out meals.

Since 1980 both sit-in and fast food restaurants have seen dramatic growth in terms of the number of outlets and customers served. Low food costs have lead to much large portions for the same price.

Interestingly the vast increase in the number of Americans who exercise and diet occurred before the increase in obesity, and some scholars have even argued that these trends actually encouraged obesity. Most diets fail, ending in binge eating and an overall increase in weight. Similarly those who workout but then stop can end up being fatter than those who never exercised.

The document was originally published at Wikipedia and the document is licensed under GNU Free Document License. If you'd like to find out more about obesity, you might be interested in visiting this page in Wikipedia.

altyfc

Joined: 27 Jul 2004

Location: Aardvarkland

Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 11:08 am

Post subject:

I wonder if all this relates to the increasing trend of obesity. People see nowadays that they can have their stomach stapled or fat removed or whatever, and do they perhaps think "I don't need to diet, I can just go and have some work done..."...?

Aaron

iRuleThisForum

Joined: 23 Jul 2004

Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 11:29 am

Post subject:

altyfc wrote:

It's very possible. We are already seeing this type of thinking in some other areas. For example, skincare; drinking, smoking, unhealthy diet, etc. will affect your skin later on your life, ... but who cares? You can take care of wrinkles with some injection.

Obesity can be deadly if it is not taken care of properly, but procedures described here are last resort, they are not there so that you can eat as much as you feel like and add 200 lb. It seems like there is some misconception here.

altyfc

Joined: 27 Jul 2004

Location: Aardvarkland

Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 12:14 pm

Post subject:

I agree that they should only be used as a last resort. In an ideal world, things should never get to those kinds of extremes in the first place, of course.

Aaron

iRuleThisForum

Joined: 23 Jul 2004

Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 12:30 pm

Post subject:

Some people disagree, but one of big changed made looking back the last 20 - 30 years is that the food industry has gained more flexibility in terms of marketing, promotion, production, and all aspects of business; I can't help thinking that this is not coincidental, i.e, the food industry is partially responsible for this.

cloningOk

Joined: 25 Jul 2004

Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 2:33 am

Post subject:

A consequent of Reaganomics?

iRuleThisForum

Joined: 23 Jul 2004

Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 8:03 am

Post subject:

cloningOk wrote:

A consequent of Reaganomics?

While I am not a big fan of Reaganomics, it is probably not fair to blame Reaganomics alone, though Reaganomics can be interpreted as a turning point. The influence of corporations is getting stronger and stronger in US, and it is rather concerning. Not all corporations are harming consumers, but as far as the food industry is concerned, I have to wonder if it's really doing any good to US consumers.

cloningOk

Joined: 25 Jul 2004

Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 10:11 am

Post subject:

Wikipedia wrote:

Changes in the price of mineral oil and petrol are also believed to have had an effect, as unlike during the 1970s it is now affordable in the United States to drive everywhere - at a time when public transit goes underused. At the same time more areas have been built without sidewalks and parks.

The price of petrol is currently rising, so maybe it will have positive impact on people's life style, i.e., they rely on public transit a little more, thus, start walking more?

iRuleThisForum

Joined: 23 Jul 2004

Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 11:27 pm

Post subject:

Quote:

The price of petrol is currently rising, so maybe it will have positive impact on people's life style, i.e., they rely on public transit a little more, thus, start walking more?

Probably not. People drive everywhere and that is an established habit and life style.

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