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iRuleThisForum Joined: 23 Jul 2004 Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 9:10 pm	Post subject: Healthcare system in every country has funding problem Critics warned that more than 10,000 nurses and other hospital workers in Ontario are facing layoffs over two years unless the provincial government provides significant funding increases; the head of the Ontario Hospital Association said 2,000 hospital staff, including 757 full-time nurses, will lose their jobs this year because the province has ordered hospitals to balance their budgets. OHA president Hilary Short said that Another 8,700 positions could be eliminated next year. Well, healthcare system in every country has funding problem, doesn't it? Canada's universal healthcare helped to improve healthcare in Canada dramatically, but the funding problem it faces is quite serious. Money is always a big problem.


adigaskell Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 9:46 am	Post subject: Every other industry has to make cut backs when times are tough but the healthcare industry seems to want more and more money despite the state of the economy.

Thais Joined: 07 Aug 2004 Location: UK Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 1:56 pm	Post subject: I think there are just not enough working people contributing taxes to fund it any more, in any developed country.

adigaskell Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 2:05 pm	Post subject: Thais wrote: I think there are just not enough working people contributing taxes to fund it any more, in any developed country. You work in the health industry Thais and don't require patients to have paid tax to get your service. Do you ever find you suffer from huge budget shortages? I don't mean do you feel you ever have enough money but do you ever find you can't do your job because of a lack of money?

iRuleThisForum Joined: 23 Jul 2004 Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 6:25 pm	Post subject: adigaskell wrote: Every other industry has to make cut backs when times are tough but the healthcare industry seems to want more and more money despite the state of the economy. The state of the economy doesn't really determine the demand in healthcare, so I guess that's one of reasons. It's not like less economic activities make people healthier.

adigaskell Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 6:43 pm	Post subject: No but you have to look at ways of getting more bang for your buck. Government departments have historically done incredibly badly at such things.

iRuleThisForum Joined: 23 Jul 2004 Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 6:58 pm	Post subject: Do you think that this is just one of excuses to get more funding?

adigaskell Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 9:08 pm	Post subject: iRuleThisForum wrote: Do you think that this is just one of excuses to get more funding? I think many public sector organisations seek to increase funding before looking to cut costs.

iRuleThisForum Joined: 23 Jul 2004 Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 9:37 pm	Post subject: adigaskell wrote: I think many public sector organisations seek to increase funding before looking to cut costs. Apparently, you are not too fond of public services served by the public sector, but isn't there anything positive about healthcare system served by the public sector?

adigaskell Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 12:09 pm	Post subject: I don't think so. We live in a victim culture. If you're overweight it is because McDonalds feeds you garbage or you cannot find time to cook proper nutritious food. Rubbish. If you're unhealthy nine times out of ten it is down to you. We need to get back to the culture of people taking responsibility of their own lives rather than blaming others for their problems.

iRuleThisForum Joined: 23 Jul 2004 Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 1:27 am	Post subject: While I perfectly agree with you, I don't know if it can work. I'm not so sure if it is a practical solution to the current problem for variety of reasons. My perspective has changed over the years for variety of reasons, and I personally believe that the public system needs to do more. With that said, I've never been to UK or lived there for a period of time (where, if I understand correctly, the healthcare system is socialized more or less), so I'm curious to see what it's like there. It may change my perspective yet again.

adigaskell Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 12:41 pm	Post subject: So people are incapable of looking after themselves? Just out of interest, how much of US GDP is government spending?

iRuleThisForum Joined: 23 Jul 2004 Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 6:53 pm	Post subject: The government spending is $1,926 billion.

adigaskell Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 9:13 pm	Post subject: iRuleThisForum wrote: The government spending is $1,926 billion. I worked out that this is around 20% of GDP in the US, which brings me to my next question. What are the taxation levels in the US for individuals? In Britain the highest rate of income tax is 40%, but we have many additional taxes on top of this.

iRuleThisForum Joined: 23 Jul 2004 Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 9:29 pm	Post subject: adigaskell wrote: I worked out that this is around 20% of GDP in the US, which brings me to my next question. What are the taxation levels in the US for individuals? In Britain the highest rate of income tax is 40%, but we have many additional taxes on top of this. 35%. (I had a quick answer, because I had a similar discussion in some other forum.)

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iRuleThisForum

Joined: 23 Jul 2004

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 9:10 pm

Post subject: Healthcare system in every country has funding problem

Critics warned that more than 10,000 nurses and other hospital workers in Ontario are facing layoffs over two years unless the provincial government provides significant funding increases; the head of the Ontario Hospital Association said 2,000 hospital staff, including 757 full-time nurses, will lose their jobs this year because the province has ordered hospitals to balance their budgets. OHA president Hilary Short said that Another 8,700 positions could be eliminated next year. Well, healthcare system in every country has funding problem, doesn't it? Canada's universal healthcare helped to improve healthcare in Canada dramatically, but the funding problem it faces is quite serious. Money is always a big problem.

adigaskell

Joined: 04 Nov 2004

Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 9:46 am

Post subject:

Every other industry has to make cut backs when times are tough but the healthcare industry seems to want more and more money despite the state of the economy.

Thais

Joined: 07 Aug 2004

Location: UK

Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 1:56 pm

Post subject:

I think there are just not enough working people contributing taxes to fund it any more, in any developed country.

adigaskell

Joined: 04 Nov 2004

Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 2:05 pm

Post subject:

Thais wrote:

I think there are just not enough working people contributing taxes to fund it any more, in any developed country.

You work in the health industry Thais and don't require patients to have paid tax to get your service. Do you ever find you suffer from huge budget shortages?

I don't mean do you feel you ever have enough money but do you ever find you can't do your job because of a lack of money?

iRuleThisForum

Joined: 23 Jul 2004

Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 6:25 pm

Post subject:

adigaskell wrote:

Every other industry has to make cut backs when times are tough but the healthcare industry seems to want more and more money despite the state of the economy.

The state of the economy doesn't really determine the demand in healthcare, so I guess that's one of reasons. It's not like less economic activities make people healthier.

adigaskell

Joined: 04 Nov 2004

Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 6:43 pm

Post subject:

No but you have to look at ways of getting more bang for your buck. Government departments have historically done incredibly badly at such things.

iRuleThisForum

Joined: 23 Jul 2004

Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 6:58 pm

Post subject:

Do you think that this is just one of excuses to get more funding?

adigaskell

Joined: 04 Nov 2004

Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 9:08 pm

Post subject:

iRuleThisForum wrote:

Do you think that this is just one of excuses to get more funding?

I think many public sector organisations seek to increase funding before looking to cut costs.

iRuleThisForum

Joined: 23 Jul 2004

Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 9:37 pm

Post subject:

adigaskell wrote:

I think many public sector organisations seek to increase funding before looking to cut costs.

Apparently, you are not too fond of public services served by the public sector, but isn't there anything positive about healthcare system served by the public sector?

adigaskell

Joined: 04 Nov 2004

Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 12:09 pm

Post subject:

I don't think so. We live in a victim culture. If you're overweight it is because McDonalds feeds you garbage or you cannot find time to cook proper nutritious food.

Rubbish.

If you're unhealthy nine times out of ten it is down to you. We need to get back to the culture of people taking responsibility of their own lives rather than blaming others for their problems.

iRuleThisForum

Joined: 23 Jul 2004

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 1:27 am

Post subject:

While I perfectly agree with you, I don't know if it can work. I'm not so sure if it is a practical solution to the current problem for variety of reasons. My perspective has changed over the years for variety of reasons, and I personally believe that the public system needs to do more.

With that said, I've never been to UK or lived there for a period of time (where, if I understand correctly, the healthcare system is socialized more or less), so I'm curious to see what it's like there. It may change my perspective yet again.

adigaskell

Joined: 04 Nov 2004

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 12:41 pm

Post subject:

So people are incapable of looking after themselves?

Just out of interest, how much of US GDP is government spending?

iRuleThisForum

Joined: 23 Jul 2004

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 6:53 pm

Post subject:

The government spending is $1,926 billion.

adigaskell

Joined: 04 Nov 2004

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 9:13 pm

Post subject:

iRuleThisForum wrote:

The government spending is $1,926 billion.

I worked out that this is around 20% of GDP in the US, which brings me to my next question. What are the taxation levels in the US for individuals? In Britain the highest rate of income tax is 40%, but we have many additional taxes on top of this.

iRuleThisForum

Joined: 23 Jul 2004

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 9:29 pm

Post subject:

adigaskell wrote:

35%. (I had a quick answer, because I had a similar discussion in some other forum.)

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