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Scolls Joined: 05 Aug 2005 Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:04 pm	Post subject: Nerves in the Environment Let's create a hypothetical situation: The kid that gets bullied a lot a school, for example, may either rise above his situation, or crumble beneath it. Perhaps his home situation is also far from ideal, for instance, and he has no friends at all. Girls forever laugh at him, and he's not the brightest, so his impatient teacher makes him stand in the corner most of the time. His siblings always pick on him, and family friends completely ignore him. Will his social situation perhaps drive him to be a nervous wreck, withdraw, perhaps act a little funny? Or would this situation perhaps give him a "mental disease"?


iRuleThisForum Joined: 23 Jul 2004 Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:43 am	Post subject: Re: Nerves in the Environment Scolls wrote: Will his social situation perhaps drive him to be a nervous wreck, withdraw, perhaps act a little funny? Or would this situation perhaps give him a "mental disease"? Potentially, but not necessarily.

Scolls Joined: 05 Aug 2005 Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:01 pm	Post subject: But which of the two would you think would be a more likely outcome?

venus Joined: 18 Aug 2005 Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 6:21 pm	Post subject: I think he'll end up being very bitter, angry, hateful, and not trusting of anyone....(rightfully so) seems like he's been failed by everyone he comes into contact with.

Scolls Joined: 05 Aug 2005 Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 7:06 pm	Post subject: How would he appear to an outside observer? Normal?

venus Joined: 18 Aug 2005 Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 12:03 am	Post subject: It depends, he can put on a fake show like so many people do, and appear normal if he wants to. A lot of people that appear normal, are not. Then again, nobody is normal these days, we're all crazy:D But, if he doesn't want to fake it, then the way he feels on the inside will shine through the way he presents himself to the public.

Scolls Joined: 05 Aug 2005 Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 6:21 pm	Post subject: venus wrote: It depends, he can put on a fake show like so many people do, and appear normal if he wants to. A lot of people that appear normal, are not. Then again, nobody is normal these days, we're all crazy:D But, if he doesn't want to fake it, then the way he feels on the inside will shine through the way he presents himself to the public. So if he puts on a fake show, then it's really only a matter of time before this will show up? If not, then it's already showing then. If he was chronically affected by his past, then could he appear mentally ill? Or "not normal" as you said?

venus Joined: 18 Aug 2005 Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 3:49 am	Post subject: Scolls wrote: venus wrote: It depends, he can put on a fake show like so many people do, and appear normal if he wants to. A lot of people that appear normal, are not. Then again, nobody is normal these days, we're all crazy:D But, if he doesn't want to fake it, then the way he feels on the inside will shine through the way he presents himself to the public. So if he puts on a fake show, then it's really only a matter of time before this will show up? If not, then it's already showing then. If he was chronically affected by his past, then could he appear mentally ill? Or "not normal" as you said? Yes, and it could already be showing up in certain parts of his life. For instance, he could be the cool, 'normal' guy at work, but at home, he can be a total demon. The 2nd question, he could definitely appear & become 'mentally ill', though, there are so many levels of mental illness....I think we all may fit in there from time to time.

Scolls Joined: 05 Aug 2005 Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 4:21 am	Post subject: So in other words, years of social interaction (or non-interaction) can create a disease then? A mental disease ??? I feel that every mental disease is rather a psychological proplem rather than a disease or illness, and in some extents the mind may go into a state of "fight or flight" as a subconscious fight for survival. The mind can take quite an incredible amount of punishment, as can the body, but everything has a breaking-point. I don't believe a mental illness is something that apparently "miraculously happens", like catching a cold - it's not a virus, nor a bacteria in the majority of "cases" that's the underlying cause of the odd behaviour, and therefore not a disease, but rather a product of society. What do you think?

cloningOk Joined: 25 Jul 2004 Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 9:18 pm	Post subject: Scolls wrote: The mind can take quite an incredible amount of punishment, as can the body, but everything has a breaking-point. I don't believe a mental illness is something that apparently "miraculously happens", like catching a cold - it's not a virus, nor a bacteria in the majority of "cases" that's the underlying cause of the odd behaviour, and therefore not a disease, but rather a product of society. What do you think? I actually think that mental illness can be caused by some physical damage such as damage done on your brain after years of drug abuse.

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Scolls

Joined: 05 Aug 2005

Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:04 pm

Post subject: Nerves in the Environment

Let's create a hypothetical situation:
The kid that gets bullied a lot a school, for example, may either rise above his situation, or crumble beneath it. Perhaps his home situation is also far from ideal, for instance, and he has no friends at all.
Girls forever laugh at him, and he's not the brightest, so his impatient teacher makes him stand in the corner most of the time. His siblings always pick on him, and family friends completely ignore him.

Will his social situation perhaps drive him to be a nervous wreck, withdraw, perhaps act a little funny? Or would this situation perhaps give him a "mental disease"?

iRuleThisForum

Joined: 23 Jul 2004

Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:43 am

Post subject: Re: Nerves in the Environment

Scolls wrote:

Will his social situation perhaps drive him to be a nervous wreck, withdraw, perhaps act a little funny? Or would this situation perhaps give him a "mental disease"?

Potentially, but not necessarily.

Scolls

Joined: 05 Aug 2005

Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:01 pm

Post subject:

But which of the two would you think would be a more likely outcome?

venus

Joined: 18 Aug 2005

Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 6:21 pm

Post subject:

I think he'll end up being very bitter, angry, hateful, and not trusting of anyone....(rightfully so) seems like he's been failed by everyone he comes into contact with.

Scolls

Joined: 05 Aug 2005

Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 7:06 pm

Post subject:

How would he appear to an outside observer? Normal?

venus

Joined: 18 Aug 2005

Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 12:03 am

Post subject:

It depends, he can put on a fake show like so many people do, and appear normal if he wants to. A lot of people that appear normal, are not. Then again, nobody is normal these days, we're all crazy:D

But, if he doesn't want to fake it, then the way he feels on the inside will shine through the way he presents himself to the public.

Scolls

Joined: 05 Aug 2005

Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 6:21 pm

Post subject:

venus wrote:

So if he puts on a fake show, then it's really only a matter of time before this will show up? If not, then it's already showing then.

If he was chronically affected by his past, then could he appear mentally ill? Or "not normal" as you said?

venus

Joined: 18 Aug 2005

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 3:49 am

Post subject:

Scolls wrote:

venus wrote:

Yes, and it could already be showing up in certain parts of his life. For instance, he could be the cool, 'normal' guy at work, but at home, he can be a total demon.

The 2nd question, he could definitely appear & become 'mentally ill', though, there are so many levels of mental illness....I think we all may fit in there from time to time.

Scolls

Joined: 05 Aug 2005

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 4:21 am

Post subject:

So in other words, years of social interaction (or non-interaction) can create a disease then? A mental disease ???

I feel that every mental disease is rather a psychological proplem rather than a disease or illness, and in some extents the mind may go into a state of "fight or flight" as a subconscious fight for survival.

The mind can take quite an incredible amount of punishment, as can the body, but everything has a breaking-point.
I don't believe a mental illness is something that apparently "miraculously happens", like catching a cold - it's not a virus, nor a bacteria in the majority of "cases" that's the underlying cause of the odd behaviour, and therefore not a disease, but rather a product of society.

What do you think?

cloningOk

Joined: 25 Jul 2004

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 9:18 pm

Post subject:

Scolls wrote:

The mind can take quite an incredible amount of punishment, as can the body, but everything has a breaking-point.
I don't believe a mental illness is something that apparently "miraculously happens", like catching a cold - it's not a virus, nor a bacteria in the majority of "cases" that's the underlying cause of the odd behaviour, and therefore not a disease, but rather a product of society.

What do you think?

I actually think that mental illness can be caused by some physical damage such as damage done on your brain after years of drug abuse.

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